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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.30 11:46:00 -
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Shandy McFoulster wrote:It seems you like distopian novels as do I. Here are a few good ones:
Anthem, Rand Atlas Shrugged, Rand Fountainhead, Rand
Get through these last two and you wont be the same person you were before you read them.
Yeah. You'll be a neo-conservative Capitalistic jerk about to join the Tea Party.
Boo!
EDIT: even Neal Peart of Rush has now disavowed espousing any of her ideas and has posted a recant of the dedication on the album cover of "2112". It's on the web searchable. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.03.30 11:48:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Anathem - A stunning achievement of hard science fiction. This is how science fiction used to be, matched to the literary elevation of Dune.
Yay ! Someone else likes it. My favorite novel OF ALL TIME. Read it 9 times so far. (You left out the author's name here: Neal Stephenson, author of "Snow Crash").
But it is NOTHING like Dune at all. ( )
It's more of an assemblage of the entirety of Western Philosophical Thought from Plato to Wittgenstein and beyond !
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Posted - 2013.03.30 13:32:00 -
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Just remembered:
Gene Wolfe's original "Book of the New Sun" quadrilogy.
"The Shadow of the Torturer" "The Claw of the Conciliator" "The Sword of the Lictor" "The Citadel of the Autarch"
and the coda: "The Urth of the New Sun"
Utterly blurs the line between fantasy and science fiction. And some of the best writing of the 20th Century.
Fascinating, but so complex after 7 readings I'm still not sure what exactly is going on in some of the passages. Neither are a lot of people. Appeals because it's never completely resolved in the mind.
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:00:00 -
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Jno Aubrey wrote:Since you like Larry Niven, I'd recommend his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle, especially "The Mote In God's Eye."
I love "Ringworld", and I have a story about a very drunk Niven at WorldCon 1988 in New Orleans. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:01:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Anathem - A stunning achievement of hard science fiction. This is how science fiction used to be, matched to the literary elevation of Dune. Yay ! Someone else likes it. My favorite novel OF ALL TIME. Read it 9 times so far. EDIT: (You left out the author's name here: Neal Stephenson, author of "Snow Crash"). But it is NOTHING like Dune at all. (  ) It's more of an assemblage of the entirety of Western Philosophical Thought from Plato to Wittgenstein and beyond ! Don't forget to read the 14 page Acknowledgements on the Web. I did better than list the author's name, I gave the link to the book on Amazon so he could see the author, the reviews, and order it. As for my comparison to Dune: Dune is one of the more amazing efforts in "world building" on par with Lord of the Rings. Like these two works, Anathem builds a unique vocabulary, though Stephenson does it much more seamlessly than Herbert. Like Dune, Anathem builds not only a world, but synthesizes realistic cultures from extrapolation (in the case of Dune), and abstraction in the case of Anathem. It is true that the narrative structures of Dune and Anathem are completely different. As are their messages as they speak to the reader. Dune's Big Idea brings together late 50's and early 60's drug culture, then new ideas on genetics, Herbert's own studies in environmental conservancy, and his studies of Zen mysticism and Arabic cultures. Herbert's underlying themes of religion-as-political-tool, tyranny, and freedom also shine through. As you mention, Stephenson breathes life into Platonic Idealism through the lens of modern physics and mathematics. As you read, you gain an education, in much the same way you do regrading desert ecology from reading Dune. These are the literary similarities I was referring to in spite of the fact that the two works are vastly different.
Fear not. I agree 100% with this.
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:24:00 -
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Graygor wrote:As someone who has never read the Ringworld series. How is Niven's pros? Is it quite an easy read or is one a slog through the pages with a lot of heavy ideas to digest?
I'm looking for some more bedtime reading now I've driven through my current pile of Christmas books.
He's not exactly the 'deepest' writer out there, lets just say that much.
"Ringworld" in fantastic, "Ringworld Engineers" is OK (helps to read his novel "Protector" first), "Ringworld Throne" is God-awful (Vampires.....seriously ?), "Children of Ringworld" is back to awesome. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.03.31 12:32:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Are they actually in sequence? Or if i skip the books you said to avoid I wont be missing out on essential plot and so on?
Yes, in sequence.
You can freely skip "Ringworld Throne". It belongs in the porcelain throne.
Long, boring, has stupid, stupid vampires, and contributes nothing important at all.
Call it a case of temporary insanity on Niven's part. TBH, I was a bit shocked at the badness. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.03.31 15:02:00 -
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Graygor wrote:I'll get the first book and give it a whirl on my tablet then.
Always willing to try something new.
Ringworld was fairly mind-blowing back in 1970. Won both the Hugo and Nebula that year.
I read it in 1976 when I was 11 and it was the first 'adult' SF that I read. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.03.31 15:03:00 -
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Jno Aubrey wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jno Aubrey wrote:Since you like Larry Niven, I'd recommend his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle, especially "The Mote In God's Eye." I love "Ringworld", and I have a story about a very drunk Niven at WorldCon 1988 in New Orleans. Haha it is very possible you and I were in the same room together 
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:32:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Neal Stephenson Reamde - Chinese hacker gold farmers in a WOW-like MMO, plus Russian mafia, plus some terrorists, plus the usual likable Stephenson characters. And the usual laughs along the way.
Great read except did the final "chase scene" really have to go on for 180 pages ?? That was almost a joke unto itself, and by the King of Long-Windedness Himself at that.
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:33:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:The Dresden Files - Harry Dresden, Wizard, the only one in the phone book. Hard-boiled noir detective meets Lord of the Rings. The only problem with these books is that you'll read each one in a single sitting (neglecting food, sleep and work) and be sad that book 14 isn't out yet. There's so much more, but let's start there.  Oh so much this. Dresden series is wonderful! Would also recommend Titan, Wizard and Demon (3 books) by John Varley.
Those were so fun when I read them at age 13 
Always wanted to meet Varley, and finally did, but not till I was 40 years old ! There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:35:00 -
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Graygor wrote:So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though.
It's all about Teela Brown !
The concept behind her character is silly as all get out, but I love the character herself.
(You will not believe her fate in "Ringworld Engineers " ) There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:44:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote: I had an "aha" moment just recently when I read Joe Haldeman's Forever Warfor the first time.
Now there is another great one.
I actually met Joe twice, once in Houston in 1980, then at that Worldcon in 1988. But on both occasions it was actually him and his father Jack, and they both signed each copy I had of their books ! There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:14:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though.
His Baroque Cycle of 3 novels is great historical fiction that reads like science fiction. More books of ideas than actual story. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:31:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though. His Baroque Cycle of 3 novels is great historical fiction that reads like science fiction. More books of ideas than actual story. I skipped the Baroque Cycle and seemed to have read the best ones: - Snow Crash: With a main character named Hiro Protagonist, how can you go wrong? - Diamond Age: Nanotech meets neo-Victorian society... awesome (complete with techno-hippies naturally) - Cryptonomicon: World War II, cryptography, the Phillipines, and little Douglas MacArthur Shaftoe... but no science fiction. - Anathem: See previous recommendation and analysis. Probably Stephenson's greatest achievement to date. I've also read the stuff he's written as Stephen Bury but none of it is as memorable.
The Baroque Cycle is the history of the ancestors of the folks in Cryptonomicon. With Isaac Newton and others.......
It's more about how science, banking, and other aspects of our world began during the Age of Enlightenment. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 21:08:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though. Oh lordie. I had a brain flatulence and said the name of the book which should not be mentioned. I'd better stay docked up for at least the rest of the day.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:12:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: The Moon is a harsh Mistress - Heinlein Australia, on the moon! If someone tells you he was a fascist because he wrote starship troopers, have them read this one.
It won't help as the main character is a Communist Russian. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:46:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Douglas Adams is also well worth reading, because his books are the answer to life, the universe and everything.
I actually enjoyed his Dirk Gently books more so than the Hitchhiker's stuff. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The Dirk Gently books were very good, but the Hitchhikers books have become embedded in the psyche of popular culture and gained a life all of their own, especially in the age of the internet.
It's just too bad the film was "ruined by too many cooks" in it's overly long development process. I always thought a film of it would be a no-brainer but it sure got trapped in the Hollywood Complicating Machine. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:12:00 -
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Venom13Games wrote:Ender's Game and the entire Ender Saga. Space travel, psychology, war, science fiction... it should fit well on any EVE player's bookshelf.
Ender's Game Movie Poster
Edit: Try to get those in the library or something. Orson Scott Card has metamorphosed into a vocally homophobic Mormon. Sad really. Even sold all my signed copies of his books. But Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead are essential reading. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:41:00 -
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I just remembered a nearly forgotten Great Book: John Crowley's "Little, Big".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/mar/04/little-big-crowley-faerie-fairys
I'm usually a science fiction guy, but once in awhile one finds a book that just towers above all others. This is one of those that almost all readers immediately throw into their top 10 before even finishing it. (Gaiman's "American Gods" is another one). There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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